I used a marlin 1895 with 325 grain hornady ftx. The .45-70 always created a large wound and always provided deep penetration. Due to excellent the reputation it earned while in use with the Army, the .45-70 Govt also quickly became popular among sportsmen in the United States. My two choices of guns are a 45-70 guide gun and TC Encore in .35 Whelen. However, while the .45-70 Govt was beloved by hunters during the 1800s, popularity of the cartridge has dropped off in recent years. At the same time, don’t let anybody tell you that the .45-70 Govt is a bad choice for deer hunting because it’s “overkill” or because it “ruins a lot of meat.” On the contrary, unlike high velocity cartridges (like the .300 Win Mag), the low velocity bullets used by the 45-70 do not produce large amounts of ruined, blood shot meat on thin skinned animals such as deer. The 45-70 is no better, but shoots a larger and more powerful array of bullets. For hunting deer, black bear, and feral hogs, for example, either one will deliver the performance you need. Jerry Burden. I was lucky in taking a 700 pound Russian boar with my 45/70. 1 year ago. Due to these constraints, while the .45-70 Govt is popular among black powder silhouette shooters, few modern hunters use the cartridge at ranges past 200 yards. For these reasons, the .45-70 is an ideal cartridge for hunting deer, black bear, feral hogs, moose, brown bear, and other big game in thick woods or heavy cover where short range shots (>100 yards) are common. I shot a Moose at about 45 yards. I have nine deer down to my Marlin .45-70, all with 300 grain factory hollow points. Yes, I know it’s been done before, but that doesn’t mean hunting cape buffalo with the .45-70 is a good idea. The data in both cases are from a 20-inch barrel, which is somewhat common in the field and is the standard test … of energy…but only in strong modern actions. Good tight action-no play. Your shoulder will thank you if you go a bit lower power. At that time, the .45-70 fired a .45-caliber, 405-grain projectile over 70 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of roughly 1,200 feet per second. I wouldn't have taken that shot with a 45-70. So, what ammo you should use depends on the rifle you intend to shoot it in. As a remnant from a bygone age in American history, there are few other cartridges that have as long and storied of a history as the .45-70. Most would think a more popular cartridge would have survived this long and still be a popular choice for sportsmen. Even very large animals like the eland should present no problems as long as a heavy for caliber, controlled expansion bullet is used and placed appropriately. For instance, Hornady makes ammunition for both cartridges as part of their LEVERevolution line: a .30-30 load firing a 160gr FTX bullet at 2,400 feet per second (2,046 ft-lbs) and a .45-70 load firing a 325gr FTX bullet at 2,050 feet per second (3,032 ft-lbs). If I was only going to have one rifle it would be '06. With all that being said, I would be very cautious about using the .45-70 Government on thick skinned dangerous game like buffalo and elephant though. have no problems with it on wild hogs in arkansas. This was a meat hunt. .44 mag vs 45-70 I was reading some posts (on another forum) where members were discussing whether a .44 mag carbine (1894 Marlin) or 45-70 (GG) would be a better choice for defense against bears (and other predators) on a ranch in Montana. I know, the .44-40 has probably killed more deer than anything except the .30-30. Both 30-30 and 45-70 offer a practical purpose as well. For instance, Federal Premium ammunition makes a load firing a 300gr Power-Shok at 1850 feet per second, generating a 2280 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. A product of the blackpowder era, the original .45-70 Gov’t cartridge fired a 405-grain .458-inch bullet at velocities over 1,300 fps, and as westward expansion prompted conflicts between the U.S. government and Native American nations it was the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield that became the weapon of choice for warring parties on both sides. This table illustrates just how important precise range estimation and applying the proper hold over become at ranges past about 200 yards with the .45-70. For instance, using the ballistics of the original black powder .45-70 load, a bullet will drop nearly 90 inches between 300 and 400 yards! For one thing, even when using very high pressure loads designed for modern rifles, the cartridge only produces between 3,000 and 3,600 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. For anything further out I Bring the .300 win mag or .375 h&h. This is my go to load for brush hunting bears and hogs. There are few other rifles I’d rather have in my hands if I had to deal with a charging brown bear than an easy to handle lever action loaded with heavy hitting modern .45-70 ammo! Or solids, etc. For a more detailed discussion on hunting cape buffalo with the .45-70 Government, read this article: Read This Before Hunting Cape Buffalo With The 45-70 Government. The .30-06 Springfield load is a 150 grain Nosler Partition (.387 BC) at 3,000 feet per second. With this, Winchester deer hunting ammo is more accurate. Indeed, there are several .45-70 ammo options out there that provide vastly improved ballistics when compared to the original black powder loading. However, they still carry a lot of energy. I have used the 45/70 325 gr load in my Buffalo Classic to shoot a South Texas Nilgai. Can i use trapdoor ammo in my marlin 1896? Are you just itching to take a rifle chambered in .45-70 on a hunt? Using high quality soft point bullets, the cartridge can be absolutely deadly on plains game like blue wildebeest and kudu at short range. The .45/70 won't quit. the bullet was recovered inside the rib cage on the opposite side. For one thing, the .45-70 Govt delivers the bone crushing power and deep penetration necessary for hunting large, tough animals such as moose and grizzly bear. New to the 45-70 world. Knowing the limitations will keep you safe and plenty of meat in the freezer. 350 gn. I don't know much about.450 Bushmaster. However, there used to be a Hi-Speed hunting load for use in rifles. With this, Winchester deer hunting ammo is more accurate. Following the Spanish-American war, the Springfield in .45-70 Gov’t. It fires a 350 grain .458 caliber bullet at 2,250 feet per second. of energy…but only in strong modern actions. If I was going to only hunt bear I would do 45-70. On large game, the .30-30 was adopted to some extent, but was never as reliable as the heavyweight .45-70 projectile. This round has endured decade after decade, winning over new generations of sportsmen who migh tinitially be attracted to it as a historical curiosity, only to discover how versatile, and relevant, it remains for hunting big game and dangerous game today. With modern factory ammo, the .45-70 has substantially more muzzle energy and more retained energy at typical hunting ranges. Broke its neck and fell immediately! .45-70 LEVERevolution ammunition is available with either a 250 grain MonoFlex or a 325 grain FTX bullet. Additionally, at .204, .238, and .276 respectively, the 300, 350 and 405gr bullets most commonly used in .45-70 fall short of the commonly recommended minimum sectional density of .300 to reliably penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals on a buffalo or elephant. The .45-70 was developed for the army to be used in … Or here: https://www.luckygunner.com/45-70-govt-405-grain-soft-point-remington-core-lokt-20-rounds?utm_source=bghb&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=45-70_corelokt#rid=bghb The 1894 Marlin in .44 is at least a pound lighter than the 1895 gbl .45/70. I know, the .44-40 has probably killed more deer than anything except the .30-30. Why wasn’t the Henry 45-70 (made in the USA) mentioned? At ranges inside 150 yards (where they’re both strongest), the .45-70 has a clear advantage of the .30-30. kimbershot, Mar 12, 2011 #9. ridgerunner1965 Member. I shot the whole box, with no discernable damage to the rifle or accuracy. Known for its bone crushing power and excellent terminal performance on virtually every species of North American big game at short to medium range, hunters all over the United States still utilize the .45-70 for deer hunting in thick conditions and it’s also quite effective on black bear, feral hogs, moose, and … All three loads used a 100 yard zero.As you can see, there’s a pretty stark contrast between the trajectory of the older .45-70 Govt load and the newer Hornady .45-70 load. There are few modern cartridges that can match balance of power and portability that the .45-70 Government offers. More important for dangerous game, the traditional 405-grain .45-70 bullet can be handloaded or custom loaded as high as 1,950 fps in either .45-70 or .450 Marlin, yielding about 3,500 ft.-lbs. — PAID PARTNER CONTENT. My two choices of guns are a 45-70 guide gun and TC Encore in .35 Whelen. plenty of ammo choices from mild to wild and the original 405 grain Remington will take any deer that walks the earth. I used to have a .45-70 Springfield Trapdoor Model 73 carbine and intended to use it for deer, but I never got around to it before somebody else made a reasonable offer during a down period with me. He's partial to the.44 Magnum still..45-70 is overkill for deer. Most hunters in North America are probably familiar with the .45-70 Government. Before we wrap up, I wanted to touch on how the .45-70 Government stacks up against the .30-30 Winchester. The 45 govt is definitely overkill. haven't been deer hunting with the 45-70 yet, but i imagine my combo will be more than lethal. This falls short of the legal minimum energy requirement of some countries (namely Namibia and Zimbabwe) for use on dangerous game. 45-70 vs. 35 Whelen 02-18-2012, 06:49. Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. Marlin Firearms. Big big hole and lots of penetration. Even when using the relatively simple solid lead bullets available at the time, the .45-70 was an extremely effective on game ranging from whitetail deer and black bear all the way up to the larger, tougher, and sometimes more dangerous species like moose, grizzly bear, and bison. As states that have traditionally been shotgun-only for deer hunting are beginning to open their seasons to the use of straight wall cartridges, the .45-70 is seeing a resurgence in popularity and use, and understandably so. This is 200 fps faster than the same company’s load (with the same bullet) for the .45-70. that being said, any deer i've shot with a shotgun slug dropped right on the spot. For the thin-skinned animals like deer, you should use the .45-70 Government, as the low velocity of this bullet will not ruin or blood-shot meat. You can also get lower powered ammo for the .45-70 but that does accentuate the parabolic path of the bullet. This allows the hunter to ethically take game at longer ranges and still consistently penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals of the animal for a quick and ethical kill. Since the 45-70 Government ammo is heavier and has a steeper trajectory vs the Win ammo, we find it harder to hit our targets more accurately because of its drawback, making it harder to place our shots. I couldn’t tell you what angle you need, but a 500 yard zero with that load would put you about 15.5″ high at 100 yards and an 800 yard zero would put you about 28″ high at 100 yards. Hog hunting over bait in South Georgia. While a 525-535gr bullet at 1,500-1,600 feet per second is indeed a potent load, in my experience, that’s not enough velocity for adequate and consistent penetration on buffalo or other thick skinned dangerous game. I have used the 45/70 325 gr load in my Buffalo Classic to shoot a South Texas Nilgai. The factory 300 grain hollowpoint is designed to expand at .45-70 velocities, but they expand a bit too much at muzzle velocities if they hit a bone! Almost anybody who has done much range work with shotgun slugs knows that they are plagued with fliers. A reasonably well placed shot is potent enough to use a single shot, and gives me time to eject and load another if needed, which has been so far never. Some expert marksmen could extend the range significantly farther. The .45-70 is best at 75 to 150 yards on most game, but it drops significantly at any range past that. For the thin-skinned animals like deer, you should use the .45-70 Government, as the low velocity of this bullet will not ruin or blood-shot meat. Both cartridges are great options for those who like to reload. .45-70 vs .450 Bushmaster — Cartridge Clash ... but the recent uptick in the number of states allowing straight wall rounds for deer has prompted bolt-action rifle makers like Mossberg, Savage, Ruger and others to offer affordable turnbolt rifles chambered in .450 Bushmaster. Even when using the relatively simple solid lead bullets available at the time, the .45-70 was an extremely effective on game ranging from whitetail deer and black bear all the way up to the larger, tougher, and sometimes more dangerous species like moose, grizzly bear, and bison. among our first successful self-contained metallic rifle cartridges. More and more states are allowing straight-wall cartridges to be used during hunting season and manufacturers are taking notice. The .45-70, .450 Bushmaster and .35 Whelen models feature a muzzlebrake that helps to reduce recoil. I wish I could use one of my .45-70's. The US Navy and Marine Corps also used the cartridge in a few different rifles as well. This improves the ballistic coefficient of the normally round nosed or flat tipped bullet, but is still safe to use in a rifle with a tubular magazine. For reference, a 450 Bushmaster has a case length of 1.7" and a 350 Legend is 1.71". Hope this helps! That advantage in energy does narrow as the range increases, but neither cartridge is really ideally suited for longer ranged shooting. Are you still faced with the same challenges of penetration on big game such as Cape buffalo or elephants with this weapon? The animal weighed 463-lbs (field dressed) and took the shot in the shoulder, breaking it, took out the heart and part of a lung. Straight-walled rifle cartridges are legal in many states for deer … A 500 grain would be too long, and would probably jam your elevator. Even though the .45-70 was a very effective cartridge when it arrived at its target, soldiers still yearned for repeating rifles, and the single-shot Springfield was starting to lose favor with soldiers. Hope this helps! It is a serious heavy hitter, which makes it an ideal choice for hunters who need that sort of performance on really big and or dangerous game like moose or brown/grizzly bear. Among other options, they offer a load featuring a 405 grain jacketed flat nose bullet propelled at 2000 feet per second for a tooth rattling 3597 foot pounds of muzzle energy. From my experience, there is no comparison in killing power. Thankfully, Traditions has met that need with the Outfitter G2 in .45-70 Gov’t., to offer one of the finest choices out of all the straight-wall cartridge rifles. Traditions Firearms has begun production of the single-shot Outfitter G2 rifle that fits the needs of these states. Inversely, too dense of a bullet would pencil through game without creating a wide, fast-killing wound. I purchased an 1898 “Rod” Bayonet Springfield Trapdoor in the white a few years ago The bore is perfect. Your shoulder will thank you if you go a bit lower power. The 45-70 is a diverse round that has many applications and can be reloaded with the same brass time and again. A few observations. Channels created by a small .30-caliber bullet could exceed the diameter of those produced by the large, slow-moving, .45-caliber projectiles. Hunter’s Recommendations The .30-30 is the best deer hunting round to take along with you, an enjoyable shot with less recoil. You can also get lower powered ammo for the.45-70 but that does accentuate the parabolic path of the bullet. This content is brought to you by a D&DH advertising sponsor. My thanks to everyone writing here. 45-70 405gr lead round nose gets a big thumbs up on deer. The 250 grain load has an advertised muzzle velocity of 2025 feet per second (2,276 foot pounds of energy) and the 325 grain load has an advertise muzzle velocity of 2050 feet per second (muzzle energy of 3032 foot pounds) with a 24″ barrel length. So, many hunters use the .45-70 as a hunting cartridge for all manner of critters ranging from whitetail deer all the way up to the really big bears. Wild West guns manufactures a take down gun called the WWG Co-Pilot which is a .457 cal.. Agree. is arguably the best choice out of all of the straight wall cartridges. The .45-70 always created a large wound and always provided deep penetration. Fortunately, there are still some good options out there that are plenty safe to use in those older rifles. The Outfitter G2 is now offered in .44 Rem Magnum, .45-70, .450 Bushmaster, .35 Whelen, .243 Winchester and .357 Magnum. The .45-70 Govt shoots heavier and larger diameter bullets than the .30-30 Winchester. They’re also both well suited for those who like using cast bullets as well as jacketed or mono-metal bullets. In addition to the many variations of the Trapdoor Springfield the Army used, several early Gatling Gun models fired the .45-70 Government cartridge. On my 2nd Alaska hunt I was going to use a 45-70. At the same time, the 30-30 Winchester has substantially less recoil than the .45-70 Government. The effective range of the cartridge is also quite a bit longer than many people probably think at first. The .45-70 was still quite popular with hunters due to its power for all big game; with consistent, predictable performance, it was a true all-around cartridge. Buffalo and elephant aside, the .45-70 Govt is a wonderfully capable rifle for hunting virtually any species of big game in the world. Get a good hunting rifle, learn to shoot it well, use quality bullets, and you’ll be all set for most hunting situations. The .45-70 load also hits about 3” high at 100 yards, but drops nearly 28” at 300 yards with that same 200 yard zero. Common sense prevailed and it's well it did. Jerry Burden As long as he estimated the range correctly, a skilled marksman using a high quality rifle and sight could accurately hit targets out past 1,000 yards using the cartridge. While recoil is indeed substantial, it’s not necessarily excessive either. Though I appreciate your comments, I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions. While it would not be my first choice for the longer range shots that are sometimes encountered in areas like the Kalahari Desert or Serengeti Plain, the cartridge shines when taking shots in the thick bushy conditions often encountered in the Lowveld or Mopani Bush areas common in many parts of Africa. As states that have traditionally been shotgun-only for deer hunting are beginning to open their seasons to the use of straight wall cartridges, the .45-70 is seeing a resurgence in popularity and use, and … I have a TC Pro hunter that I handload 45-70 using the Nosler Silvertip 300 grain in front of 50 grains of RL 7. After much research, cartridge designers discovered that a high-velocity, small-caliber projectile could produce large — disproportionate to caliber — wound channels. In contrast, the .45-70 was consistent in its manner of killing medium game. On a deer sized critter, the shotgun slug and the 45/70 bullet are both much more than needed for a swift kill so as AGL says, dead is dead. A cousin to the venerable Marlin 336, the big-bore Marlin 1895 chambered in .444 Marlin or .45-70 Government is commonly used by hunters pursuing large, tough game in North America.Nicknamed the "guide gun," the Model 1895 was especially well-liked among those who might have to deal with an angry brown bear, grizzly bear or moose at close range. Interesting length choice as that is the case length of a 460 S&W, which the law at one point read "traditional straight wall pistol cartridge." It sounds like you’re shooting 325gr Hornady LeverRevolution loads for your .45-70? No need to chase your deer halfway across the county after you shoot it. The second largest antelope. However, in today’s rifles with today’s bullets, it’s assuredly not. Indeed, the .45-70 Government was one of the very first centerfire rifle cartridges ever invented and was originally designed to use black powder. I’m not quite sure what rifle or ammo you’re asking about. Nevertheless, in the early stages of such developments, small-caliber projectiles had many flaws. What is maximum cup/psi for it. The .450 Marlin has ballistics almost identical to magnum .45-70 Government ammunition and the cartridge fires the same weight bullet approximately 600fps faster than lower pressure .45-70 ammo intended for use in the Trapdoor Springfield. No doubt the 45/70 is a great round with either store bought ammo or reloads, yet it has limitations. Especially in areas where longer ranged shots are not likely, it’s perfect for game like deer, feral hogs, and black bear. I personally use 405 grain had loads and never had any issues dropping Russian boar, Bears, Elk under 100 yards. A 45-70 shoots longer & heavier rifle bullets with much better sectional density. Thank You for this excellent article on the 45-70 cartridge. Whereas a necked cartridge carries a lot more energy and range, but a straight-wall cartridge under most hunting situations will not carry beyond 300 yards. These rifles are often easy to carry, whether on foot or on horseback, and are quick to mount and fire. among our first successful self-contained metallic rifle cartridges. While either will easily kill deer or pigs at 100 yds, the only advantage the .44 mag has over the 45/70 is a lighter weight gun. The latter bullet has a sectional density of .364 with the former being .357. The .45-70 Government (especially with modern ammunition) has a reputation for hard hitting performance on both ends. I don't have much experience with lever gun, but I have killed a few deer with a 44 mag and 45/70 in a single shot rifle. More important for dangerous game, the traditional 405-grain .45-70 bullet can be handloaded or custom loaded as high as 1,950 fps in either .45-70 or .450 Marlin, yielding about 3,500 ft.-lbs. Unfortunately, those bullets have a low ballistic coefficient and poor downrange performance. Soon, hunters had access to quality lever action and single shot rifles and repeaters such as the Remington Rolling Block, the Remington-Keene, the Sharps 1874 “Buffalo Rifle,” the Winchester-Hotchkiss, Winchester Model 1885 “High Wall,” and the Winchester Model 1886. Hunter’s Recommendations The .30-30 is the best deer hunting round to take along with you, an enjoyable shot with less recoil. If you have an older rifle such as a vintage Trapdoor Springfield or a Winchester Model 1886, you should avoid modern ammunition (especially anything labeled “Magnum” or “+P”) and instead stick to low pressure loads that mimic the original performance characteristics of the round. the bullet was recovered inside the rib cage on the opposite side. Hog quarteringin my direction at about 40 yds and she looked like she was hit by a freight train. The ballistics shown above are for black powder 45-70 not the Standard and there is also 45-70 Strong Ballistics which make 308 seem significantly weaker by comparison. However, in today’s rifles with today’s bullets, it’s assuredly not. Straight-walled rifle cartridges are legal in many states for deer … Book an outstanding African safari hunt here. When sporting cartridges with high velocity and smokeless powder arrived in the 1890s, the first to rival the popularity of the .45-70 was the .30-30 Winchester. After all, there’s a reason why the Marlin Model 1895G Guide Gun is so popular among hunters and outfitters in Alaska. Well, designers at Hornady attempted to solve that problem with their “LEVERevolution”, line of ammunition for cartridges like the .30-30 Winchester, .35 Remington, and .45-70 Govt that are popular in lever guns. Weight Diameter SD 400 0.458 0.272 45/70 440 0.729 0.118 12 ga 1 oz slug I'm sure this question gets asked a lot but here it comes again. With all that in mind, there is no plains game animal that I would hesitate to use the cartridge on at ranges out to 100-150 yards. The .45-70 Govt is very effective out to around 150 yards with minimal bullet drop, but it’s capable of great accuracy and longer range shooting as well. It has 1,643 ft-lbs of kinetic energy remaining at 100 yards, 1,304 ft-lbs of energy at 200 yards, and 1,025 ft-lbs of energy left at 300 yards. Combined with modern bullet construction, these enhanced loads dramatically improve the performance of the .45-70 on virtually all game species when compared to the original black powder load. Hydrostatic effect is higher with higher velocity so the internal damage will be higher with the 45/70. One .45-70 load approximates the performance of the original .45-70 Govt black powder loading of a 405 grain bullet (.307 BC) at 1350 feet per second while the other is a 325gr Hornady LEVERevolution factory load (.230 BC). Last day, getting dark and if I wanted one, that was the shot. In terms of external ballistics, the .30-30 has a 300-400 fps advantage in muzzle velocity over the .45-70, but the .45-70 uses significantly heavier bullets and has a whopping 50% more muzzle energy than the .30-30! 45-70 vs. 35 Whelen 02-18-2012, 06:49. Why is everyone looking at slower rounds? This is for a variety of reasons, but there are more than a few hunters out there who are skeptical of the capabilities of the cartridge when they see its somewhat anemic looking ballistics on paper. On the other hand, the .45-70 Govt provides bone crushing power at the expense of more recoil. I would however like to point out that when handloading cast bullets ypu can obtain 525 to 535 grain bullets with a brinnel reading of 25. The .45/70 won't quit. The '06 is a good everything gun. On medium game, if the small-bore bullet was made too soft, it could explode on impact and fail to give adequate penetration when needed. I want to do my first float hunt in September for moose/grizzly. When it comes to hunting with a large-bore, straight-wall cartridge, hunters want a dependable and accurate rifle. It is also known as .45-70-405 which means 405 grain, .45 caliber bullet and being pushed by 70 grains of black powder. 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